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New Project: BikeE E2 Dual 20 Tandem Recumbent

Discussion in 'Recumbent Discussions' started by DozerCSX, Jan 13, 2024.  |  Print Topic

  1. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Greetings!
    A new year, a new recumbent project! One of my dreams has been to own a tandem Recumbent, to ride together with my sons or wife. My wife and I actually tried a tandem recumbent at Gardner Martin's Easy Racer facility in Freedom CA, where Gardner personally helped us ride their offering (yes, it was that long ago)! I was hooked, but circumstances (read: money) dictated that it wasn't going to happen any time soon...

    Until last month! I picked up this beauty in Northern California - a BikeE E2 Tandem Recumbent, in very good shape, with many unusual upgrades:

    - This E2 has been converted to a 20/20 configuration - clearly the way it should have come out of the factory. The 16 never had a good history on this bike as a heavily loaded tandem. Not only is the front wheel a 20 inch, but it also includes a front suspension, which turns the bike into a fully suspended configuration.
    It looks a lot like a Barcroft Columbia except cooler. Higher captain step over, but totally worth it.

    - The rear wheel has been replaced with a NuVinci Enviolo 360 CVT hub. This thing is an incredible breakthrough in shifting for bicycles, and I can't say enough good things about it. CVT stands for "Continuously Variable Transmission" - through a combination of large bearings and belts, it essentially offers unlimited gear ratios (it's a similar design to that offered on today's Hybrid cars). Super cool, tech geek stuff - and it really works.

    - The frame is a massive monocoque aluminum girder, strong and cool looking. While you can see from the picture that this bike is long, I believe it is actually the shortest tandem recumbent ever offered. When riding it single, it doesn't feel that ponderous - but it is heavy. I would guess it's over 50lbs, and probably closer to 60. As the "Worlds Longest short wheelbase", it actually feels rather agile.

    - This bike came with tire DOGS, the Maxxis Hookworms. I replaced them with a terrific tire set of a racing Tioga Power Block 20x1.95 in front, and a Tioga Street Block 20x2.15 100psi in the rear. Transforms the bike to make it MUCH faster with significantly better rolling resistance and ride. Before the swap, it felt like the bike had been dipped in molasses. These tires are seriously fast, and I must shout out the Street Block - it looks like the Power Block, but has been significantly strengthened (100psi), and is fast, good looking and bomb proof. Same tread pattern, much tougher.

    - The BikeE seats are notoriously comfortable.

    Still working on more, effective upgrades, but today was Show Day - I featured this bike in my engineering lesson at school, it was a total recumbent geek fest...

    Its nickname is "Godzilla", as it is truly King of the Monsters!

    BikeE E2 Tandem Recumbent.jpg
     
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  2. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    CaTrikeGirl and myself started out on a RANS Screamer. We ordered it custom built with IPS and few other things. We looked at it as a fun exercise machine so agreed if we purchased it, we'd ride it...and we did. That first winter when it was spitting snow, we were out there pedaling right along. Our favorite comment (from those we passed by), was "Hey, she's not pedaling!?" :jiggy9: With an IPS, everybody get a chance to rest. ha ha

    A couple of things we discovered along the way were, 1)Riding in the local Tour de Blount was a disaster. Folks often rode side-by-side, blocking what few attempts we might have had at picking up any speed to attack an upcoming hill. 2)It's great in wide open spaces, but can be tricky on narrow sidewalks. The only time we ever we down, was when a sidewalk had an abrupt dual-corner S turn in it. Our bike was so long, the front wheel went off the edge of the sidewalk at (a whopping, what) 3mph(?) and we dumped ourselves over onto the grass! ha, ha

    Still we had many good rides and always enjoyed it. One our of best was riding to a local family reunion, just some 20 miles away from home. The ride went very smooth, even through town with all the traffic. (i.e. nobody had EVER seen anything like it, in our small town! :surprised:)
     
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  3. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Question: what tires did you use on the Screamer? I find this tandem to be extremely sensitive to the quality of tire - the wrong tire and it's a sluggish nightmare...
     
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  4. BlazingPedals

    BlazingPedals

    Region:
    North
    State/Country:
    MI
    City:
    Haslett
    Ride:
    M5CHR
    Name:
    John
    I tried the Bike-E E2 at a bike show shortly after it was introduced. I managed to ride it with some difficulty, but my buddy couldn't do it except solo. The steering geometry was just too weird. At the time I dubbed it the worst-handling recumbent ever marketed and predicted that lawsuits over it would decimate the company. You 20" conversion looks like it results in a 0-raked fork, which may actually make it rideable; but it looks like it's retained the 16" fork legs?
     
  5. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Yup, I received it with a rather hokey front solution. The previous owner reversed the 16" forks, and inserted INSIDE of it a 20 inch suspension fork. He then drilled a bolt hole through the bottom of the fork and head, and screwed them together. They fit tightly, with no wiggle, but "no warranty." The E2 head is a nonstandard, LARGE size, (1) I can't find a suspension, or any, fork that will fit, and (2) the current suspension fork slide perfectly inside without wiggle or slop. This bike should have been a 20 inch from the get go, I don't understand why they went with the 16. Still, this is a hokey solution, and I'm working on a better solution. Still, it works at the moment.
     
  6. BlazingPedals

    BlazingPedals

    Region:
    North
    State/Country:
    MI
    City:
    Haslett
    Ride:
    M5CHR
    Name:
    John
    The original fork WAS 'backwards' to supply some trail, due to the 0 degree steerer tube. Going to a 20" front wheel would result in a change in the steerer angle and some small amount of trail using a zero-offset fork.
     
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  7. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    Sorry so tardy in responding, but our Screamer is in storage so it took a bit to go check and see...

    The front tire is a Tioga Competition Pool 20 x 1.75 and the rear tire is a Vector Force Analysis 26 x 1.4

    IMG_2742.jpeg

    IMG_2746.jpeg

    On a side note, we don’t consider it a fast bike, instead it was our 4 season exercise bike...yes, we’ve pedaled while it was spitting snow! :twitcy:
     
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  8. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Ah, the legendary Tioga Comp Pool, perhaps the best 20 inch slick ever made! You can't get your hands on those any more, too bad...
     
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  9. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Update: First, I have finally found online instructions to convert a BikeE 1 1/4" headset (huge!) to a standard (1 1/8") front suspension fork! I'll be implementing it this week - FYI here is the link:
    https://www.plunk.org/eben/Albums/BikeE/

    Second: I have embarked on the bike transformation of a lifetime - converting Godzilla to an electric bike! The end goal will be a recumbent Truck EV, but we are almost done with the EV conversion part... check out the cool picture (p.s. the CVT is on the left):

    Godzilla EV Conversion1.jpg
     
  10. DozerCSX

    DozerCSX

    Region:
    West
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Silicon Valley
    Ride:
    Rans Vivo, Rocket, +
    Name:
    Dozer
    Another exciting update for Godzilla! I was able to follow online instructions I found to rebuild the front wheel assembly for a clean 20 inch/ 406mm full suspension! All the hokey bits have been removed; I purchased a set of 1 1/4 to 1 1/8th shims from AliExpress to allow Godzilla to accept an RST/Capa 1 1/8th full front suspension unit. Check out the pictures - it's professionally installed by Walt's Cycle in Sunnyvale and I rode it home this afternoon... almost there!


    p.s. here's the link to the instructions and parts list on the 20 inch front suspension conversion:
    https://www.plunk.org/eben/Albums/BikeE/

    Godzilla new front suspension sm.jpg

    Godzilla E2 EV 20 inch front full.jpg
     

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