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Bicyclists protest misplaced “rumble strips”

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by A.D., Sep 26, 2010.  |  Print Topic

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Do you think Rumble Strips do more to Help or Hinder Cyclists?

Poll closed Apr 19, 2011.
  1. They Help me. (post to explain)

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  2. They Hinder me. (post to explain)

    14 vote(s)
    93.3%
  1. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    South HillsBorough County, FL - Activists campaign for them. Community planners designate sites for them. Transportation authorities put them on their “to do” lists. Governmental agencies encourage their use as means to energy conservation.

    The subject of all this attention is the bikeway, including the single lane set aside parallel with roadways for bicyclists. In fact, given the attention, one could get the impression that providing safe lanes on public roads for the cyclists actually is a priority.

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    The facts, however, do not bear it out, say area bicyclists. Riding a bicycle along public roads in South Hillsborough County means encountering road debris, trash thrown from vehicles, dead animals, fallen trees and objects bounced off truck beds. The worst obstructions by far, though, are the grooves dug in road surfaces designed as safety features for motorized vehicles but that act like long, torturous and often inescapable vibrating steps for the cyclists. They’re known as “rumble strips.”

    And, they are dangerous to bicyclists, says Jim Wheeler, without hesitation. Wheeler, Kings Point resident and ride leader for the upcoming Sammy’s Ride, the Arizona to Florida trek to raise funds for pediatric cancer research, conducts 40, 50, and 60 mile training rides every week on local roads and those surrounding Hillsborough County. Those rumble strips can upend the most experienced of cyclists, he asserts.

    Plus, “you can’t hear and you can’t see” because of the teeth chattering vibrations as a light weight racing or long distance bike is driven over the regularly placed road surface gouges, Wheeler adds. The rumble stripping on the east and west sides of U.S. 301, south of S.R. 674, for example, is simply “deadly,” he says.

    Another cyclist and Kings Pointer, Ruth Husky, echoes Wheeler’s views. Husky, who has been riding a bicycle for more than 30 years for exercise and enjoyment, says she avoids U.S. 301 altogether now. The patterned depressions in the pavement within the bike lanes is “ very unsafe” and causes riders to “lose control” of their machines, threatening to toss them into the path of ongoing traffic, she adds.

    The rumble strips “shake the whole bike,” a Fuji road machine, and that stretch of U.S. 301 from SCC to Ellenton “scares me to death,” Husky says.

    Two more SCC riders, Doug Gatchell and his wife, Sharon, favor recumbents, where the rider is in a more reclined position on the machine, with the feet pedaling ahead of rather than under the body. Gatchell calls the rumble strips “very stressful” for all cyclists and especially so for the rider of the recumbent bike. ”You don’t feel particularly safe,” he notes.

    Given that condition and the fact that the recumbent machine is a little wider than the more conventional two-wheel bike means simply eliminating from the riding route those roadways known to be unsafe for cyclists because of the rumble stripping, Gatchell says.

    Wheeler points out that he has no objections whatsoever to the rumble strip concept, adding that, in fact, his father years ago promoted the idea as a law enforcement officer. And the roadway pavement depressions do alert motor vehicle drivers when they’re sliding out of their lanes. But he believes the realty does not match the Vision.

    Citing a Florida Department of Transportation policy implemented in January, 2009, Wheeler points to the department’s objective to provide audible and vibratory markings on rural roadways with a posted speed of 50 miles per hour or greater. The FDOT policy states the markings “shall be installed on the outside edge lines for all two-lane and multi-lane undivided rural roadways.” (Emphasis added.)

    The markings, however, often are installed in the bike lanes, instead of on the demarcation line, Wheeler says, and the situation is not confined to Hillsborough County.

    Design engineers in FDOT’s District 7 Tampa office also recognize the problem. Spokesperson Kris Carson advised The Observer early this week that remedial work on about 5.5 miles of bikeway along U.S. 301 south of S.R. 674 will be undertaken as soon as a contractor can be engaged. The rumble strip in the bikeway will be eliminated and new warnings will be properly placed with new white striping, she said. It won’t happen right away, but it will happen as soon as possible, she added

    Asked if the issue had been raised in bikeway discussions at the Metropolitan Planning Organization, an arm of The Planning Commission, Beth Aldren, an MPO planner, said she was not aware of any such discussion, but added it would be a topic for consideration by the Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee.

    Jim Shirk, current committee chairman, told The Observer this week the subject would be raised during the committee’s monthly meeting on September 8.

    Meanwhile, the League of American Bicyclists is stepping up its efforts to ensure appropriate use of the rumble strip. The strips have their place on interstate or major highways, but arbitrary use of them on roads not proven to need them results in “two bad things,” Wheeler notes. “Either the roads become unusable by cyclists or cyclists are forced to ride in the traffic lane.” This, he suggests, was not the intent of the federally mandated bicycle lane vision which so many have strived to make reality.

    source The Observer News
     
  2. B-Savage

    B-Savage

    Region:
    North
    State/Country:
    MI
    City:
    Marion Springs
    Ride:
    Giro 26, CA-2
    Name:
    Dennis
    I hate the danged things both on the bike and in the car. Some of the strips are done in the middle of the road rather than on the edges. That is okay on the bike (except for scaring the what-not out of you when you suddenly hear a car going over it at high speed behind you) but really aggravating when in a car.
     
  3. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    I agree. We had a 'Bicycle Friendly' route (which had signs stating such) from Athens over to Watts Bar. In my 28 years of driving the road to work, I've NEVER seen, nor heard of, any accident where a driver fell asleep and ran off the road. However, when they last repaved the road they added these rumble-strips right afterwards.

    The only positive I can imagine in them, is if you're on the :goright: side of the rumble-strips with a bicycle, while a car is on the :goleft: side with a Texting-teenager...they might wake up and pay attention as they drift off the road across them headed towards you. :yikes:

    Given the 'signage', I'd sure hate to ever see a 'Bicycle UN-Friendly' road. What, nails and broken glass strewn about?! :eek9:
     
  4. Geyatautsilvsgi

    Geyatautsilvsgi Supporter

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Seymour
    Ride:
    ?
    Name:
    Geyatautsilvsgi
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    OH, you just need to go riding with Dave up in/near morristown.
     
  5. BlazingPedals

    BlazingPedals

    Region:
    North
    State/Country:
    MI
    City:
    Haslett
    Ride:
    M5CHR
    Name:
    John
    I've always asserted that it's illegal to use the shoulders. The white fog line is, legally, the same as a curb. So when you're to the right of the line, you're no longer in the road. All traffic should stay to the left of the fog line; and in fact a car can get a ticket for driving on the shoulder. They'd call it, "improper use of a shoulder." Bikes, as pseudo-vehicles, are traffic. Therefore, when the law states, "as far to the right as practicable," it means "as far to the right *in the traffic lane* as practicable," because to state otherwise would be to bar bikes from roads completely.

    Now, in practice, bikes are not only allowed in the shoulders, they're encouraged to go there; if only to get them out of cars' way (motorist convenience.) Those rumble strips effectively prevent cyclists from using the shoulder at all. Which is OK from a legal standpoint but not from a practical standpoint. Traffic engineers shouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that the rumble strips force cyclists to ride several feet into the traffic lane.
     
  6. myerscw

    myerscw

    Region:
    SouthWest
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Downey
    Ride:
    Jetstream III
    Name:
    Curtis
    I have to agree with John regarding the solid white lines. They are to denote the edge of the driving area of the road. When bike lanes are put in on streets with paint, they have a solid white line on each side of the bike lane, and it is clearly marked this section of road is for bicyclists and cars are not allowed to cross into this area of the roadway.

    My preference is to ride totally off roadways on actual separate bike paths, but when you are using a bicycle as a means of transportation you sometimes are forced onto the street. Here in Southern California I’ve sometimes moved up onto the sidewalk because even though it’s illegal to ride on the sidewalk, it was safer to be there than to be at the far right of the street.

    Curtis
     
  7. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]TDOT'S NEW RUMBLE PROCEDURE
    [/FONT]​
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
    Key changes Effective March 1, 2010:
    [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif](Provided by Jessica Wilson, 1/20/10)
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1) [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]There are now 4-inch and 8-inch wide alternatives[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] to the standard 16-inch strip in order to accommodate cyclists where the available paved shoulder may be limited. Additionally, these alternatives will be installed as stripes, meaning the rumble will included as part of the white edgeline.[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2) The new standards [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]utilize a 30’-10’ gap pattern[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]. This means that for every 30’ of continuous rumble stripe, there will be a 10’ break to serve as a gap for cyclists who may need to enter/exit the travel lane[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]3) TDOT adapted a [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]more bicycle-friendly 5” rumble/7” space pattern[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] instead of the more common 7” rumble/5” space. This was taken from research provided by the University of Missouri for MoDOT (report No. RDT 03-007, Refer to table 4-4 on page 7 for performance rankings. [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]http://library.modot.mo.gov/RDT/reports/Ri01057/RDT03007.pdf[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]4) The depth of the rumble used will be the midpoint of 3/8” to 1/2” (most common depth adopted by other states) with a +/- 1/16” tolerance. This means that the [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]depth of the new rumble stripe will be somewhat shallower [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]than the ½” depth we’ve used in the past.[/FONT]

    source Bike Walk TN
     
  8. Geyatautsilvsgi

    Geyatautsilvsgi Supporter

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Seymour
    Ride:
    ?
    Name:
    Geyatautsilvsgi
    Well hooray for TN...at least they are trying...
     
  9. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    Just added a POLL to see what most think about them!
     
  10. yakmurph

    yakmurph

    Region:
    East
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Hixson
    Ride:
    Cruzbike
    Name:
    Steve
    They are, of course, 'sucky' for bicycles.

    Duh!
     
  11. laidback cyclist

    laidback cyclist Supporter

    Region:
    NorthEast
    State/Country:
    OK
    City:
    Broken Arrow
    Ride:
    Ti Rush/V-Rex
    Name:
    Mike
    Explain? Ride over one for 10 ft, that should explain it
     
  12. Tadpole

    Tadpole Supporter

    Region:
    East
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Sevierville
    Ride:
    ActionBent T1
    Name:
    Ed
    I hope the 'top' roadway designers remember that there is still a lot of vehicle protruding yet to the outside of a tires footprint such as fenders, mirrors, flatbed truck beds, etc. Seems to me that the rumbles should be toward the roadway center of the white strip to really be of mutual benefit to both driver & cyclist.

    Personally, any 'hole' in a pavement is another place that not only drains tax funds (either filling 'em or making 'em, over and over), but also for crud and moisture to collect. Tired drivers, texters, etc. need to take the bus!
     
  13. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    My WISH too, if we have to live with them.

    Agreed, but when they don't...:confused9:...it seems a rumble strip is your last-line-of-defense for keeping them in the road.

    While I don't particularly care for them (and had no use for them before 'texting' came along), if it will keep an inattentive :auto: off the top of me, I don't mind them at all in that light...especially if they save my life! :angel:
     
  14. RealEngr

    RealEngr Supporter

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Seymour
    Ride:
    EDGE Koosah
    Name:
    Bill
    Get readyyyyy to Rumbulllllllll!
     
  15. calboy147

    calboy147 Email Defunct

    Region:
    East
    State/Country:
    CA
    City:
    Newberry Springs
    Ride:
    noname trike
    Name:
    gene
    I think they should be in the fog line. The ideal is to wake the driver before he has left the roadway.
    If it is in the shoulder it is usually to late to be an effective accident prevention measure.
    They only bother me when they take up an already too narrow shoulder, and i have to keep going back and forth across it to allow traffic to pass.......:jiggy9:
     

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